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Post by DM Aram on Jun 29, 2015 10:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by ouijedanse on Jul 17, 2015 15:03:40 GMT -5
I just finished my second pass through all of the episodes and I must say Kay has some fantastic mic drop moments. All of the players, both in character and out, have made me laugh. But only Kay has had me going "ohhh!" out loud in appreciation.
Considering how Phryane is designed, I hope Kay receives inspiration points for some of her better sick burns and clever social twists.
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Post by DM Aram on Jul 17, 2015 15:45:23 GMT -5
"Are those stone bunks?"
"Yeah."
"Hmmm. Those must be hard on the back."
"Says the sixteen year-old boy."
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Post by burningneophyte on Jul 17, 2015 17:43:34 GMT -5
Or my personal favorite,
"Well father, since we're not stopping, I guess I can use some more tea."
*Father hands her tea perfectly the way she likes it*
*Takes a sip of tea. Sets it down.*
"I guess my tastes have changed."
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Post by ouijedanse on Jul 19, 2015 0:30:30 GMT -5
"I guess my tastes have changed." Yes! That line was perfect.  I particularly liked Phryane's commentary and interactions with the Godking during Turtlefest. "I lean over to the Godking. 'That one's about to cheat.'" |
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Post by burningneophyte on Jul 19, 2015 14:04:16 GMT -5
I think the best part of Phyrane's character is that although she is extremely sarcastic and exasperated with her party, I feel like (on some level) she genuinely cares for them in her own haughty way. Even though many of her best one-liners (mostly) revolve around her contempt for her fellow godlings.
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Post by Lucian on Jul 20, 2015 19:03:03 GMT -5
I never thought a couple of liberals could ruin D&D with their cultural Marxist, PC bullsh*t. I like how you both have a good laugh that the new guy is a "Republican". I tell you what, I bet he would never go on for twenty minutes about some "gender role" nonsense if you asked him what his f*cking armor looked like. Then girl says five minutes later something about starting where she was "making out with the hot guy". I guess she just picks and chooses which stereotypes to find offensive. I really wanted to like this. Ahh, well.
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Post by Xion Praeten on Jul 20, 2015 19:41:21 GMT -5
Ah well, Lucian. Bye bye! #WeDidntMakeItForYou. Kay is actually very funny and she and Stephen (the aforementioned "Republican") get along very well. The joke totally went over your head — after Kay's justifiable comment and subsequent discussion (which was not 20 minutes) about gender stereotyping in gaming, Kay went on to discuss Phryane's dress in hilarious and loving detail.
There are plenty of dudebro podcasts out there for you to listen to. I would suggest that you do, because if you found THAT event offensive, your head will explode if you get any further in our podcast.
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Post by DM Aram on Jul 20, 2015 20:18:08 GMT -5
It was six minutes and I would happily put it into every one of our podcasts just to make such a delicate little flower like you so very, very angry. But let me keep this simple: we didn't make this podcast for you. If you feel isolated by it and the themes we have discussed....well, good.
As far as Stephen (The Republican since you can't bother to remember names) is concerned, he is a loved and valued member of our team. We certainly have political differences, but we find humor and discussion in those differences. That might help you avoid curse-laden rants in the future. And one last thing: a woman being attracted to a man or acting out that attraction is not a "stereotype." Good Pelios, man - maybe that's why you are so angry.
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Post by Zendel on Jul 24, 2015 2:03:54 GMT -5
Loving the podcast. I have just listened to this episode and am moving forward with high hopes.
It is unfortunate that the poster above felt he needed to state his views in such a way and completely devalue his opinion. While I do believe that Kay's argument came out of nowhere (give the fact that she is playing a character who started as a aristocrat of sorts and was attending a betrothal ball) it doesn't mean that you should be rude.
Love the show. Keep up the great work!
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Post by Siro on Sept 2, 2015 16:36:49 GMT -5
Despite the inelegant way Lucian put it, he did make some valid points. As a totally unbiased outsider to the podcast, the argument about the clothes question did come out of no where and it was painfully obvious the DM was doing some furious back-pedalling to defuse the situation.
I was listening to it thinking, "My god, shut up already and get on with the show. Nobody wants to hear about gender/roleplaying issues!"
What's even more disappointing is the DM and player in question reaction here and on the subsequent episode. "You don't make the podcast for us, the listener" Really? What's the point in going through the massive effort of recording, producing and publishing the podcasts and running this forum then? Don't kid yourselves, your handling of this situation was terrible and extremely immature and cast you both in a bad light.
Despite that, the show is really good and I'll continue to listen, despite not being wanted.
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Post by DM Aram on Sept 3, 2015 0:04:08 GMT -5
I'm continuously confused when people interpret my position as less than 100% in support of Kay. I'm the producer and DM of the most highly edited D&D podcast available - absolutely nothing gets in that I don't want in. If I at all sound flustered or like I am back-tracking it is because I immediately recognized she was right and I was embarrassed for not seeing it earlier.
I chose to highlight our entire conversation because I believe it was an important one for us to have. Sexist troupes are rampant in fantasy fiction and culture, and after voicing her opinion on the mater Kay went on to describe her dress in loving detail. It is exactly how I would expect any of my players to act if they were faced with a situation that might have made them slightly personally uncomfortable while acknowledging that their character would likely feel otherwise. That is, quite simply, as good as roleplaying gets.
You may disagree, and that is fine - you chose to speak to us out of respect. Many others have not. My message at the end of the subsequent podcast was for those people, not you. I hope you feel welcome, and that we're all on the same page by Turtlefest.
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Post by Ariel on Feb 3, 2016 18:14:13 GMT -5
This makes me so angry! Girls in and around D&D have two options on first glance, to either been seen as a "fake slutty girl gamer" or the stereotypical "feminist bitch" and as a female gamer thats been playing games since she could even form memories, I have been pushed through this pigeon hole thousands of times. Aram, was not back-peddling through anything, he had simply realised how it seemed to Kay, and understood where she was coming from. He obviously didn't mean it in anyway, but at the same time understood what had happened and agreed with Kay. And on the same side, Kay understood that putting her in a pigeon hole was no where near Aram's intents, (She simply wanted to speak out about an important topic that is directly connected to the game that they are playing) and thusly spoke about her dress with loving passion. Aram has been put in a unique position where he was able to adress an promote a healthy relationship/mindset towards females in the D&D community, and yeah he damn well took that opportunity! And yes, Godsfall was made for the listeners, but more importantly, Godsfall, like any creative pursuit, was made for the people involved. So if this 6 minutes of important discussion offends you, than fast-forward through it, the button was put there for a reason!
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Post by James C on Feb 15, 2016 16:29:47 GMT -5
I found this podcast after hearing about it on the WotC D&D podcast, so I just started going through it from the beginning. I was ABSOLUTELY THRILLED to hear Kay in this episode speak up about beginning her player career by having to answer a question designed to objectify her. Aram had no ill intent, but all the more important to call out unintentional objectification because that's the kind that all too often goes unchallenged and becomes part of our subconscious social psyche. To quote one of the best thinkers/activists/orators of our time, Stephen Lewis, "Gender equality is the single most important issue facing humanity today." Think about it for a minute and you'll realize how startlingly true that statement is...
I started teaching my nieces D&D and they're just getting old enough to begin to be aware of self-image and the stigmas that may come with being "girl gamers." I hope they overcome and that their generation handles it better. I'm a married man in my mid forties, so the only reason I have a stronger than average awareness of this as a lingering blight on our culture is that I've worked in a women's hospital for over 10 years. Otherwise, it is all too understandable how so many people are relatively ignorant of how imbalanced things still are between men and women. Our so-called modern society still has far, far to go to achieve gender balance. In gaming culture the imbalance is so blatantly obvious that it should be relatively easy to make a few, solid forward strides with a little determination. Way to go, Godsfall!
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Post by tronics on May 3, 2016 17:30:12 GMT -5
I just discovered this amazing series via a random D&D podcast I listened to. I just about died over the brief section where Phryane calls out DM Aram for the sexist overtones. That was both funny and eye opening for me. My only regret about this series is how it calls attention to my own inadequacies as a DM. While I realize this is highly edited, I just admire the story telling and narration by the the DM but more importantly the narration by the players. I wish I had this talent and skill in narrating a cohesive story. More often than not a lot of my sessions devolve into battles of HP attrition. I really need to step out of my comfort zone and try narrative story telling v. module story telling. I am just in awe. This is like listening to an amazing audio book or old-time radio show.
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